Katie Urbanek – Generational Effects

“People are beginning to know that there are gay people in this world.”

I have a little group of friends. We were having a birthday celebration for one of the women. They got to talking about how the young girls are calling the boys now, at even age 11, and they thought that was terrible, you know. And I said, “Well, the girls called [my son] Hal. A lot of girls called him. They didn’t know it wasn’t going to do them any good.” For a minute they were quiet. Then they just talked and went on. [Laughs.] Little things like that help.

The biggest [change] I think I see is that people are beginning to know that there are gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual people in this world—that they’re not any different than anybody else. But they’re still having trouble coming to terms, if they don’t have somebody in their family, they’re very mixed . . . I don’t know, when I talk about Hal and his son, you know, they’re [usually] very, very open to whatever I have to say. Some of them say, “I don’t understand.” Well, they just don’t understand. I don’t understand them then. [Laughs.]


Sources: Interview with Maureen Nickerson on 14 May 2007; Interview with Laura S. Hodgman on 4 June 2012.